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Monni Senior Member Offline Min izāmō Posts: 413 Location: Kaarina, Finland Joined: Jul 16^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #16 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 9:35pm	Print Post
	Dandello wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 8:50pm: But I do need to look for the remaining 2.5 remnants.) I could count about 10 files that still mention 2.5, but should maybe mention 2.6 instead... I guess those files were unchanged from 2.5 For others, the mentioning of 2.5 is intentional.


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Dandello Forum Administrator Offline I love YaBB 2.7! Posts: 1759 Location: The Land of YaBB Joined: Feb 12^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #15 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 8:50pm	Print Post
	I think this should go on the list of ideas for 2.6.2. (For that matter, having a whole column of 'YaBB 2.6.0' doesn't bother me. But I do need to look for the remaining 2.5 remnants.) 2.5.2 was based on 2.5AE. 2.6.0 went back, in some cases, to the original 2.4 mods that Next added, but it's based mostly on 2.5.2. ( Next was a dead end - too much was left half finished.)

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Monni Senior Member Offline Min izāmō Posts: 413 Location: Kaarina, Finland Joined: Jul 16^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #14 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	Dandello wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 8:33pm: I see what you mean ... if the Version is the 'current' one (the one in Languages//version.txt), then leave it out in the Detailed Version list. Exactly... But only if there is revision information... or some other data besides the plain version number... Otherwise you will end up with empty version string


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Dandello Forum Administrator Offline I love YaBB 2.7! Posts: 1759 Location: The Land of YaBB Joined: Feb 12^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #13 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	I see what you mean ... if the Version is the 'current' one (the one in Languages//version.txt), then leave ou the string in the Detailed Version list.

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Monni Senior Member Offline Min izāmō Posts: 413 Location: Kaarina, Finland Joined: Jul 16^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #12 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 8:19pm	Print Post
	Dandello wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 8:00pm: Code (Perl) ${$txtrevision} =~ s/$Revision: (.*?) $/Build $1/igsm; The rest of the version sting gets put in as is. So if $Revision is left out it doesn't matter. I mean... It's pretty redundant to have the YaBB version at start of every file version string... It should be stripped if it exists... I still see files where the version part is 2.5.x which will confuse users, because they think the file needs an update even though same file works for 2.5 and 2.6 series (both are actually versions of YaBB Next Edition).


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Dandello Forum Administrator Offline I love YaBB 2.7! Posts: 1759 Location: The Land of YaBB Joined: Feb 12^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #11 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 8:00pm	Print Post
	Code (Perl) ${$txtrevision} =~ s/\$Revision\: (.*?) \$/Build $1/igsm; The rest of the version sting gets put in as is. So if $Revision is left out it doesn't matter.

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Monni Senior Member Offline Min izāmō Posts: 413 Location: Kaarina, Finland Joined: Jul 16^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #10 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	Dandello wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:19pm: Some Modders see how the YaBB file tops are put together and assume that's the only way to do it, including adding the YaBB SVN build number which doesn't apply to the mod. YaBB internally replaces Code $Revision: $ with 'Build' in the Detailed Version list. So having a revision number of some nature helps keep track of what's been installed - no matter how it's written. Just my five cents about the automatic parsing of "$Revision: ...$" ... I was just suggesting that logic could be extended for files that obviously can't have SVN revision information... Instead of blindly looking for $Revision in the string, it should strip the start of the string "YaBB [\d]\.[\d]\.[\d] " and then parse "\$Revision (.*?) \$" only if it exists and if it doesn't exist, copy the information verbatim.


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Dandello Forum Administrator Offline I love YaBB 2.7! Posts: 1759 Location: The Land of YaBB Joined: Feb 12^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #9 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:19pm	Print Post
	Some Modders see how the YaBB file tops are put together and assume that's the only way to do it, including adding the YaBB SVN build number which doesn't apply to the mod. YaBB internally replaces Code $Revision: $ with 'Build' in the Detailed Version list. So having a revision number of some nature helps keep track of what's been installed - no matter how it's written.

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Monni Senior Member Offline Min izāmō Posts: 413 Location: Kaarina, Finland Joined: Jul 16^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #8 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	Dandello wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 6:56pm: More general ideas - But first an explanation of SVN Build numbers. The Build numbers you see for YaBB are assigned by the Subversion program that keeps track of changes. The number you see reflects the number of 'commits' (changed files that were uploaded - either individually or as a group) Mods don't get added to YaBB Subversion. So logically, files that go with Mods can (and probably should) use a different numbering system. (Like simply starting with 1 as in Code (Perl) $donationpagepmver = 'YaBB 2.6.0 $Revision: 1 $'; Which would mean that this version of the mod was written for 2.6.0 and this is the first iteration of this file. Also remember - you can, and should, add your own name to the copyright statement as the mod writer. (Just remember to give credit to previous writers if there were any.) And yes, I have to go back and fix my own mods to get therm current. IMHO, the "$Revision: 1 $" part should be totally removed unless the mod code is hosted on SVN server... It's up to mod developer if she/he wants to have version numbering instead for the mod.


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Dandello Forum Administrator Offline I love YaBB 2.7! Posts: 1759 Location: The Land of YaBB Joined: Feb 12^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #7 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 6:56pm	Print Post
	More general ideas - But first an explanation of SVN Build numbers. The Build numbers you see for YaBB are assigned by the Subversion program that keeps track of changes. The number you see reflects the number of 'commits' (changed files that were uploaded - either individually or as a group) Mods don't get added to YaBB Subversion. So logically, files that go with Mods can (and probably should) use a different numbering system. (Like simply starting with 1 as in Code (Perl) $donationpagepmver = 'YaBB 2.6.0 $Revision: 1 $'; Which would mean that this version of the mod was written for 2.6.0 and this is the first iteration of this file. Also remember - you can, and should, add your own name to the copyright statement as the mod writer. (Just remember to give credit to previous writers if there were any.) And yes, I have to go back and fix my own mods to get therm current.

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Dandello Forum Administrator Offline I love YaBB 2.7! Posts: 1759 Location: The Land of YaBB Joined: Feb 12^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #6 - Jul 18^th, 2014 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	Thank you.

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pyragony54 God Member Offline I Love YaBB! Posts: 664 Location: Йошкар-Ола Joined: May 25^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #5 - Jul 18^th, 2014 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	If everything is still. Incidentally, I have posted all your mods under your name.

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Dandello Forum Administrator Offline I love YaBB 2.7! Posts: 1759 Location: The Land of YaBB Joined: Feb 12^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #4 - Jul 18^th, 2014 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	pyragony54 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 4:22pm: For the necessary advertising I worry already. We're not in competition for limited dollars - we just want YaBB to succeed and have happy users. (So remember to put a link to your site in your signature. )

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pyragony54 God Member Offline I Love YaBB! Posts: 664 Location: Йошкар-Ола Joined: May 25^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #3 - Jul 18^th, 2014 at 4:22pm	Print Post
	Okay, accepted. But do not deceive yourself because sometimes that is not even English speaking will download for me. For the necessary advertising I worry already. I have the page already logged in GoogleDashboard.

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Dandello Forum Administrator Offline I love YaBB 2.7! Posts: 1759 Location: The Land of YaBB Joined: Feb 12^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Some general rules of thumb for Modders Reply #2 - Jul 18^th, 2014 at 3:57pm	Print Post
	I expect that people downloading from your site will be expecting the German and German Du parts to be included. (After all, you're catering to German speakers, right? ) I'm not repacking the older zips here until I have the download Mods section done. Let's just call the additional languages parts a suggestion for the future.

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